Which Drogan has the most OP power?

What power and why?

Rhekd's healing. Hands down.

With Beacon of Hope, that will be:
Surge value + 2d6 + 5 (Wis Mod) + 3 (Cha Mod) + 5 (BoH) + 1 (Belt of Sacrifice property if ally is within 5 squares).
When all the bonuses are there, that's a minimum heal of Surge + 16, maximum of Surge + 26.

id say wintyrs double arrow shooting power. he fires like 30++ arrows in every battle or somethin'. actually how many arrows does he carry anyway??!?!??

onyxninja wrote:

id say wintyrs double arrow shooting power. he fires like 30++ arrows in every battle or somethin'. actually how many arrows does he carry anyway??!?!??

I think he picks them up after the encounters. (Even if Doug may not necessarily specifically say that every time)

Even with picking up arrow, I wonder how many quivers Wintyr is carrying. I remember back in 3rd edition, I had a level 8 ranger that had a wondrous item called "Efficient Quiver" which basically had 3 slots of extradimensional space. The first slot could hold up to 60 arrows, second slot up to 18 javelin sized objects (I just put more arrows) and the third slot could hold up to 6 bows. That was an incredibly useful item.

He did buy four quivers or something the last time we were in town. It was a long time ago though. Pretty much before the campaign really got underway.

I think coltaine is op because he is the longest living drogon he has all the powers and skills and he now wields a deadly ice weapon he is a great adversary and he has the power house of healing but in a fight with nima he may have a heart attack when he fights her she can teleport move fast and teleport others with her but if you knock her prone and stun her shes useless

urowell227 wrote:

I think coltaine is op because he is the longest living drogon he has all the powers and skills and he now wields a deadly ice weapon he is a great adversary and he has the power house of healing but in a fight with nima he may have a heart attack when he fights her she can teleport move fast and teleport others with her but if you knock her prone and stun her shes useless

In Nima's defence, not many people would be useful while stunned!

As potent as Rhekd's healing is, I dont thing its overpowered. Rhekd can't dish out the pure violence, and all players want do big damage. The appealing thing about that is that they need to be the unparalleled at what they do, which is dealing damage in most cases, and Rhekd's healing is just another form of character excelling at something. He needs it. Besides, best way of mitigating damage is dealing it and preventing it, not healing it.
If i had to pick, I would say that Win'tyr is overpowered, but only from a pvp aspect.

Fuzzy Wolf wrote:

As potent as Rhekd's healing is, I dont thing its overpowered. Rhekd can't dish out the pure violence, and all players want do big damage. The appealing thing about that is that they need to be the unparalleled at what they do, which is dealing damage in most cases, and Rhekd's healing is just another form of character excelling at something. He needs it. Besides, best way of mitigating damage is dealing it and preventing it, not healing it.
If i had to pick, I would say that Win'tyr is overpowered, but only from a pvp aspect.

Which power though? His twin strike that keeps on raining down arrows? Or his hunter's quarry that keeps boosting his damage?

The twin strike. Especially once he gets the weapon damage bonuses. It is very convenient. Many fighters in 3.5 and in pathfinder choose to play ranged combatants. They don't have to close in, worry about terrain, attacks of opportunity and so on. At least at lower levels. Again, that is only from a pvp point of view, as things stand now. Its a very different thing when DM builds the encounters, and powers and roles such as his can be balanced out.

i think John's power to make us laugh is over powered lol

watokala wrote:

i think John's power to make us laugh is over powered lol

Win!

Fuzzy Wolf wrote:

As potent as Rhekd's healing is, I dont thing its overpowered. Rhekd can't dish out the pure violence, and all players want do big damage. The appealing thing about that is that they need to be the unparalleled at what they do, which is dealing damage in most cases, and Rhekd's healing is just another form of character excelling at something. He needs it. Besides, best way of mitigating damage is dealing it and preventing it, not healing it.
If i had to pick, I would say that Win'tyr is overpowered, but only from a pvp aspect.

He would be vulnerable as soon as someone closed the gap though, especially with charges. That is why he stays at a safe distance, with his meat shields in front of him. As I understand it, it is very useful that we had two melee characters (plus Sorrow, who would basically be in the enemy's face) to keep the enemy occupied at the front lines. In this way, Wintyr can continuously rain down damage without distractions. (Not that that protects him from vile fumes or brimstone...)

Fuzzy Wolf wrote:

As potent as Rhekd's healing is, I dont thing its overpowered. Rhekd can't dish out the pure violence, and all players want do big damage. The appealing thing about that is that they need to be the unparalleled at what they do, which is dealing damage in most cases, and Rhekd's healing is just another form of character excelling at something. He needs it. Besides, best way of mitigating damage is dealing it and preventing it, not healing it.
If i had to pick, I would say that Win'tyr is overpowered, but only from a pvp aspect.

Wintyr's Twin Strike (at-will) ability is definitely strong, however after going through all these battles, I find that he fumbles a lot when he twin strikes (which makes sense since he's rolling more D20s). Also, he has lots of these dry stretches where he rolls lots of 2-5's.

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Also, he has lots of these dry stretches where he rolls lots of 2-5's.

Indeed, it's painful to watch at times.

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He would be vulnerable as soon as someone closed the gap though, especially with charges. That is why he stays at a safe distance, with his meat shields in front of him.

I really can't judge, its been years since Ive touched 4e. I'm mostly referring to options available to ranged attackers at a later date, such as full attack 90% of the time, not having to worry much about flyers, moving through threatened spaces and avoiding reach weapons, bull rushing etc. which is why I see fighters specializing in bows and dexterity. Big damage and not to much stress. Not that any of that would work without meat shields, as you said.

Fuzzy Wolf wrote:

I really can't judge, its been years since Ive touched 4e. I'm mostly referring to options available to ranged attackers at a later date, such as full attack 90% of the time, not having to worry much about flyers, moving through threatened spaces and avoiding reach weapons, bull rushing etc. which is why I see fighters specializing in bows and dexterity. Big damage and not to much stress. Not that any of that would work without meat shields, as you said.

Ahh, I remember 3rd edition fighters. High Dex, high Str and then slap on a bunch of ranged weapons feats.
- Point Blank Shot
- Rapid Shot
- Shot on the run
- Precise Shot
- Dodge
- Mobility

Man, those were the days...

Rangers are strikers, they are suppose to do alot of damage. As well as rouges if they had one (sneak attack is brutal). So while I think Win'tyr is awesome and Twin-Strike is the way of the Ranger I can't say I think it's that overpowered. Yes, considering the fact that they stand far back and don't take much damage and just fires arrows after arrows... yeah they do damage, but that is their role. I would have to say that one player being overpowered depends on the group, becaus if the group is even the DM can just up the monsters and then it will take longer to kill them and Win'tyr would have to work harder. But I think the drogans are quite even in the gameplay, doing diffrent things and bringing their own stuff to the group.

(But I have to admit, the Clarics healing with that feat and the daily power that allows them to get resist 5 damage and sustain as a minor... that is a little daunting for a DM to play around, because the healing is so strong)

Leffelini wrote:

(But I have to admit, the Clarics healing with that feat and the daily power that allows them to get resist 5 damage and sustain as a minor... that is a little daunting for a DM to play around, because the healing is so strong)

Forced to agree that clerics healing can be a bit overpowered at times. but when do the drogons actually make use of their clerics properly? zacsaard always went down at the start of the battle rather than healing.

Sagadeathwitch wrote:

Leffelini wrote:

(But I have to admit, the Clarics healing with that feat and the daily power that allows them to get resist 5 damage and sustain as a minor... that is a little daunting for a DM to play around, because the healing is so strong)

Forced to agree that clerics healing can be a bit overpowered at times. but when do the drogons actually make use of their clerics properly? zacsaard always went down at the start of the battle rather than healing.

*Cough* Rhekd *Cough*